Amen to both lurks and nicander.

What you'd require is a slate of candidates on the same manifesto at the next election who are willing to enact these changes. I think the challenge is now we're on three-year board terms, it will take so long to get enough of the others out that whoever stands will end up with years of pain to get through.

Lurker - that absolutely needs to happen. The DTB doesn't have much role now other than administering the running and membership of the Trust (and it has even handed some of that to the club and plans to hand over further). The current board model is further integration with the club and becoming one organisation, but I would suggest we need to retain some appropriate distance, otherwise we will become subsumed and unable to influence.

nicander it has felt like the move to the ops being run by the club has become something to hide behind for some (that's not thing to do with us from someone who sat on the PLC Board) and like the DTB has gone, now that's off our hands let's all go back to our pet projects. In which case scrap the DTB. The idea of electing oversight people to sit on the board gets more appealing.

And BTW I don't underestimate the challenges faced by the DTB. I just think some of the historic excuses for poor comms or lack of consultation (stadium project, having to get involved in club matters due to desperate under-resourcing) are no longer present, and no reset in board approach seems to have happened.

Lurker - agree, although even as I say it, it does feel a bit like "real communism/Brexit has never been tried". In all seriousness, I think some of the problem has been successive boards unwilling or unable to commit to properly accountable decision-making. The direction of travel (DTB removing itself from day to day decisions, more operational power with the plc) is correct, they just haven't done the other bit (strengthened scrutiny by DTB and members, clarity about the guard-rails and levers that should remain with members). If you don't do that, you just get unelected people making sweeping decisions with no reference to members, allowing the plc to make decisions with little challenge.

On the subject of ownership- I had missed the story that Wrexham lost £5m last year and that their owners have now injected £9m of loans to fund their “fairy tale rise” (TM). I wouldn’t necessarily want us to be that sort of club, but it sort of shows what we are up against and why we will never be able to really compete in the football landscape as it stands. Also it shows that, for all the hype, the Wrexham story is really just one of “club with big budget buys success”.

If we ever have a go at running a league club as a democracy we might find out whether or not it works. As things stand we clearly haven't when so many crucial decisions have been made by a few (and discussed with their mates) and passed as fait accompli to the "democracy"

I was joking Silk btw I know you’re just looking on the bright side of things. I think it’ll be interesting to see how the DTB carries on for much longer given their inability to answer pretty basic questions on ProBoards about their own words and decisions anymore.

TF - Quite the opposite. I have always maintained that we should get answers to questions unless there is a solid legal reason for with-holding the information - so do not misrepresent me. I will give the DTB some leeway in that the volunteer nature of the job means questions may not be answered immediately but they could at least acknowledge the question and a time frame for the answer. I do not know how pointing out to Ferret that being a DT member does not make you a club owner is in any way drinking their Kool Aid. I am actually saying the opposite. If you stop giving them your £25/year, as I have then you no longer have any say in how the club is run. That is not ownership. However if you own shares in the club then you have a say without being a DT member.

Uncomfortable for the diminishing clique but Trigger and Kenty we bang on the mullah

They’re all up there in the upper tier on the halfway line lording it over their comrades with a prawn cocktail and glass of champers. All the while discussing equality and inclusion.

Is Buckley still here? I thought he’d left? Has Kris left? I hope he has. It’s hard to know anymore. You don’t deserve to know. Silk appears to have gone full Koolaid which feels odd - the accounts are fine we’re literally within two or three decades of being able to compete and being a DT member doesn’t afford you any right to know anything you plebeians - I think someone has their eye on a DTB role…

Ha ha, Sav.

We were wondering that very thing this afternoon, OI.

We are forever grateful to Buckley for committing against his will to another term as AFC Head Honcho. Unfortunately he was too busy devoting himself to identifying the right boy for the “branding and digital transformation lead’ job and has not managed to replace himself. Nevertheless we welcome the digital transformation of the trust and plc into one super database, funded by volunteer season ticket holders who can’t read small print. As for Buckley, third time lucky in replacing himself is surely a reasonable expectation? Yours truly, The Board

Hey Lou, maybe it’s time for a couple of WISA members to put themselves up for the DTB. 😁

Speaking of which has anyone heard rumours about how Buckley's hunt for his successor is going?

Successful business people are partly where they are because they've been in the right place at the right time with the right idea, often through good insight but occasionally through pure luck. The other component for most of them, who tend to be ideas people, is to have good lieutenants who make sure things happen and aren't overlooked. Picking them, many of whom might be called donkeys or sheep by some, is a definite talent needed to be successful.

I think that a democracy is fine for running a non-league club, especially when you have crowds which are much bigger than your competitors - I don't really think that it works for running a league club, any more than it does for managing any other business.

How wonderfully Animal Farm. But then, the Revolution was always doomed. That’s the point.

Due to my roles on WISA, Supporters Direct & The Dons Trust, think a lot of my information is already in the public domain via Companies House and social media. Time for me to do a rebrand and maybe go off to find a nice non-league club to follow somewhere down the A3 corridor …..

Of that I have not doubt Laurence. More power to your elbow 💛💙

Laurence can also share your private information in order to gain loyalty points with the clique if that helps.

Ferret - I can be a bigger pain than you. :o)