Sav all the people that I know who support AFC, and with whom I speak regularly, don't want fan ownership. But that is never going to change while the 75% vote requirement is in place.

Let's remove all age discounts so that the people who've paid tax etc for 40-50 years can't afford to leave their homes.

I've concluded that AFC Wimbledon is a microcosm of society - everyone wants better players, health & education, soldiers to make Vlad tremor ..

Oh and as for surveys: Of course most people are going to tick yes to 'do you want AFCW to remain fans owned?' given it's such a core part of our identity. But in a future survey we need to be much more explicit about the trade offs - e.g. Do you want AFCW to challenge for a Championship place? If yes, are you willing to help pay for it out of your pocket? If no, whose pocket should the extra money come from and how would we persuade them to give it?

I realise that the implications are tough to hear but JG's main point holds true: the current model of fans ownership, with our asset base and current revenue/profit generation ability appears unlikely to be able to sustain football above L2 for long periods. Either we get better at the commercial side of fans ownership i.e. earn more money to invest in players; or we accept where we are is our long-term level; or we look for other ownership models. I'm not particularly happy to accept where we are is our long-term level.

Certainly agree with that last point OI - adding on top that the challenge looks incredibly difficult and there may not be an answer at all.

Surely our owner John Green will put more money in this season?

Trigger - the last evidence showed a majority in favour of fan ownership so that should be respected. I'd favour another survey of both DT members and the wider ticket buying group. Until that is done the best one can work on is the last set of evidence. I also think that having elected and assembled largely new boards you do have to give them some time to come up with a believable plan.

JG, as a short term view thats great but longer term that shows zero business acumen. The kids are cheap because its an investment. Get them coming as kids they are hooked for life. We start charging full price for them and families can't afford to come, which means you start to lose the parents too. Then you start to only be left with the older fans who you've then also priced out due to not offering pension discounts.

Don't build up your hopes. With our friends in Whitehall determined to tax pensioners to the hilt we will be lucky to be able to eat let alone buy season tickets.

Meadow - OAP discount ? not if JG has any say in it.

Thankfully I do have the income to buy a season ticket. Sadly not to pay all up front so I'll pay a premium for installments. Roll on 2029 when I'll get an OAP discount - hopefully.

I can't even afford the price of a season ticket these days, but in John Galt's book that would likely make me a meanie because I'm not committing enough to the club.

JG I'm not too mean. I earn just over £20k and have bills to pay. I do my bit as a volunteer programme seller. I can't do any more.

‘John Galt’ makes a fair point. C’mon, Dons fans! Put your hands in your pockets and pay the wages of League 1 players you watch every other Saturday as a hobby. Forget the kids’ new shoes or that well-earned summer holiday. We’re a fans club, so, pay up you meanies!

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We cannot escape the inevitable fact that there is a price to pay for League 1 and Championship football. If we want to continue paying a pittance - handing out nearly free tickets to children as if we were the Pied Piper, subsidising fans simply because they are 67 or "unwaged" - then we need to accept League 2 football. One gets what one is prepared to pay for in life and in every walk of life quality costs. You can't unfortunately dine at Claridges for the price of a Big Mac. I hold no grudge against either Tilley or Neufville - I'm just depressed that our fanbase appear too mean to retain them and enable us to compete with the likes of Bradford and Wycombe.

Not piling in OI I respect you and all that stuff but “main mood of the DT membership”? Can that be claimed either way these days with the auto-membership and lack of engagement despite huge claims of success as such?

Spit if what you said was correct then clearly you would have a case. However our average home gate will not be “fantastic” for League 1; our average ticket price (bum on seat revenue) is one of the lowest in the entire football league pyramid and our shop sales are relatively pitiful.

You're very weird KD! It's definitely not my club or yours, as neither of us is willing to do much to fill the black hole of losses. I'm fairly pragmatic, the main mood of the DT membership is currently in favour of fan ownership so we should give the new Boards a chance to come up with a believable plan. If they don't then we need to look at finding serious outside investment and I'd vote for people who wanted to do the planning. But I don't think Tilley or Neufville owe us anything as if they had had really crap seasons we'de have got rid of them.

OI thinks it’s HIS club, not OUR club. It’s these people who will hold us back.

Fair enough, I'm just willing to accept that Jackson, Cope, Neufville and Tilley are way better informed than me about football and I accept their decisions. I won't boo either and hope they do well other than when playing us.

Think the point is we can’t keep our better players from taking an arguably sideways step and leaving for Northern shitholes paying an extra groat. That’s the price of fan ownership.

OI I think it’s pretty clear that a lack of ambition has been a facet of our ownership model in recent years eg the depressing albeit genuine “oh well let’s have a drink” vs the lack of substance behind “championship in 5 years”. But it’s not a timeless feature hence our immense rise up through the pyramid. L1 is a major test of our DNA as we experienced last time. There’s no shame in relegation from L1 for a club of our size. But if there are opportunities to grow bigger and fend off the inevitable then they should be prioritised and that will indeed involve many factors including ambition, structure, capability and many more.

You said “do we get upset” re departures. Yes, I did re Ball. Because I think he should have been signed. Also, don’t get me wrong about Tilley and Neufville. I’m more upset because we can’t compete and imo,people who don’t want the club to get outside investment are holding this club back