I fully expect Bolton will be docked points for any games they miss (when are the next midweek fixtures?). I doubt telling Bury they can't play and then penalising them for not playing would be deemed legal. Dale seems determined to get them thrown out though.

 Lee that’s not true about youth football. My son plays in goal in higher level of youth football outside academies and the size differences is startling. It is normal to come up against kids who are heavily built. Most teams do put players on the keeper. You also get variable refereeing which means the keepers have to deal with a world of dodgy and straight red challenges. The problem is (from what I’ve seen/been told by those coaching keepers) the academy structure and approach.

 As for Trott consequences of developing in an environment that is based on EPL style not the kind of battering L1/L2 keepers will be getting.

 If we’re talking about being necessary nasty we and all the other clubs should be telling the EFL to start penalising with extra minus points for every game Bury and Bolton don’t play. Otherwise they’ll just sit on this until they can sign players who will keep them up.

 Seriously do some people think we have premier league or championship level defenders? We have guys who are with us cos they’re not capable of higher levels (yet or at all). We are a bottom L1 top half L2 side and no amount of wishful thinking and we should be playing like Brazil nonsense will change that.

 Do you remember the time a young Sullivan got a late challenge on him against Palace and our players steamed in in defence of him and there was a mini-ruck in the goal. Maybe our players now should have that mentality.

 Maybe Notts County in for Appiah?

 Pigott will be off. We need the £250k

 I see that Bury's deadline for saving themselves hs been extended yet again. They now have until midnight tonight instead of 5pm.

 ... other than Guinness-Walker perhaps, but it would be really odd for us to let him go so quickly after signing him

 I can't believe there will be anyone leaving - really not sure that we have anyone in the squad who would be wanted by another team

 JP - thought he sounded like he wasn't ruling out anything happening...

 So away from the demise in the cricket, I've just read Wally's notes.... so that's no one in and the possibility of someone out

 No miracles then - weak weak weak batting

 England basically look like they have lost the ashes in the course of the last two hours, barring a miracle from here

 4 out now! Pathetic. Too much limited overs matches in this country . Root not captain material

 Chucking away all the hard work the bowlers did yesterday, have given away their wickets

 What the fuck was Stokes doing there? this is fucking embarrassing

 England 20-3. Root out for a duck. Not have a good ashes with the bat 🙄

 Vinnie Jones never made mistakes. Or at least CW never told him to his face

 OI - yes. Robbie Earle.

 Is there a mythical player somewhere that doesn't have errors in them? Making errors isn't the problem, not learning and thus repeating errors time after time is the problem.

 Cw so this his is base line, he improves from this...

 doom and gloom,give the lad a chance,only 20.shea was worse,remember him getting bullied by luton ,he recovered to be an ok keeper

 MAD-surely the whole point of him coming here was to improve his game and learn how men’s football is played, if he doesn’t improve then we are in trouble