Yeah can you imagine what two or three generations further on will find normal?

For the benefit of Mister Kite, There will be a show tonight on trampoline.

Someone on here, Lurker?, likes to point out to his children that they'll find themselves in the same boat one day.

Trig - we had our children late and they are in their 30s. There are times when we find it easier not to speak as we have no idea what's going on.

Yeah the thumbs-up emoji is a weapon these days you just don’t use it 👍

Even if you send the wrong emoji these days youngsters are triggered 😀

It is absolutely fascinating talking to these younger folk about their perspectives and reactions to things - can be scary at times to realise how close you come to upsetting/offending when you would have absolutely no idea that you'd done so.

I thought that was it Trigger. Absolutely understandable.

Obviously if our Mr Kite wishes to be referred to in the plural he will be 😊

I understand the frustration Pads I really do, but these days when working with a multitude of younger folk these things can be important in a different way. I've noticed myself starting to get into the habit of using they/them/their more frequently. I promise I'm not doing it to upset you :-)

Newsnight should investigate Panorama.

Has RK ever stated his(?) preferred pronouns?

Spit - I had a wise boss in the seventies who counselled me to be sceptical of all journalism. He reckoned this applied to The Times (then the 'newspaper of record', if anyone remembers that expression) and the BBC particularly, as everyone believed what they said.

Trig- calling Kitey 'they', rather than 'he', or if in doubt 's(he)'. Mr P is remonstrating with me for being boring, so apologies all.

Panorama proving you shouldn't believe everything on the BBC ,not for the first time.

Pads I don’t even know what I’ve done there 😅😬 Please feel free to educate me and I’ll try to avoid repetition!

Absent voting, i.e. giving a yes or no when unable to attend is absolutely fine. Giving your vote to someone else to use as they see fit needs to be tightly controlled if not banned. A maximum number(6 perhaps) for any one person to control would seem a compromise but still leaves technical problems (How do you know when someone already has 6?, How do I inform the meeting I have been given votes by others?)

Trig my dear, your use/abuse of the personal pronoun does my head in in the same way as a bookshelf of volumes arranged according to colour!

I disagree with the whole concept of proxy votes as it undermines the whole democratic process and puts unwarranted power and influence in the hands of another individual, usually the chairman. At a push I could accept somebody naming a friend or family member, as long as the number of proxy votes they are given is limited to, say, 5, but nothing else. Having a chairman with more proxy votes than the actual number of people attending a meeting to vote was ridiculous.

Agree Wu and I think you’re right about the former. It’s not if they exist but how they are used for me - as Proxygate is not something anyone wants to see repeated especially when it’s something as crucial as a new constitution.

I presume the former.

If supporters have actively opted to allow an individual proxy vote then that is surely their decision and to be respected. If their vote becomes a proxy by default if they don’t vote themselves then that is much more of a problem in my opinion. Which is it?

I would like to see proxy votes got rid of. People need to read the question and make their own decision without direction from the DTB.

The DTB Chair has not to date replied to or acknowledged my question about whether they will use proxy votes then it comes to approving the new constitution.

Players went down and were sh*t I remember that much.