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Surely when that happens Hash the 4th official needs to speak to the ref and say what are you doing. It should be a penalty! Hopefully Wally would put more pressure on them if that was to happen, Neal was too soft
18th Jan 2019 11:05:59 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
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What about that blind Bastard ref who gave a free kick when Barcham was fowled about 5 yards inside the box with the ref standing right there without any obstruction? How can that decision be explained?
18th Jan 2019 11:02:14 
[213.lo.gg.ed] 
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I agree also about how do some other clubs get better than us but then it may be a mix. Good example, the blatant control of the ball with forearm to score by Branagan for Oxford. But then there's other circumstances, away fans lino and pretty sure he was the guy who watched an Oxford player kick the ball out 3 foot away from him and gave them the throw.
18th Jan 2019 10:53:43 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
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I might be terribly Andy Roberts here, but has anyone made the point that Lurker must have the most inappropriate tag name ever? Or is it just self deprecatory irony?
18th Jan 2019 10:52:05 
[82.lo.gg.ed] 
:-)
MAD your moral on first post is my question as well, do we work with them? If not why not. Personally I'm not convinced WD carries any clout that referees will be intimidated by. Its not like we've got Alex Ferguson coming in. But if we're not working with the officials I fail to see how we can expect to change things.
18th Jan 2019 10:50:15 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
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And the 'big boys' argument holds water to an extent as we see at any level of the game. But it doesn't explain how the likes of Accrington, Morecombe, Fleetwood etc, come here and get the rub....
18th Jan 2019 10:36:11 
[2.lo.gg.ed] 
middle aged don
We are not going to agree but I personally hope we change our approach
The lino has to go with the left back and in most grounds the lino will be climbed into - the inference is that with our ground where the away fans are, the lino capitulates and we get dicked every season. You can say that at pretty much every ground though, that on one side or the other the lino will get pelters. Do I think that Nil and Nil could create a scenario of building pressure via the media and in the pre meet? Nope. Do I think the current duo could? Yes - as long as there is no interference from above with a holy stance (which makes me laugh considering how unethical we are when it suits us).
18th Jan 2019 10:33:33 
[2.lo.gg.ed] 
middle aged don
I'm aware of clubs local to us having had refs in for years to discuss/assess/work out how to approach. I see a curve that we are waaaay behind :-)
question to those in the know, when we got Sargenson again for a home league match not too long after his disgraceful show against Sutton, did the club complain or challenge it?
18th Jan 2019 10:32:12 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
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MAD I could explain most of the bad or non decisions from that mix of reasons I gave before - which all take time to change. Some of that, e.g. away fans and linos will change at NPL. Some won't change unless we become one of the big boys in L1. Some you can't change cos there are just some shite officials at this level. Some though I don't know what we do currently to create a better relationship with officials. The telling piece in the Neville comments is when they invited a top ref in. Do we do that? Do we come across as working with them? The other side is a long game - keep raising these fuck ups and getting it acknowledged that they got it wrong and publicise that every time. Slowly officials will realise it won't just go away if they do it to us. I don't think there is a simple or quick fix though. NA and especially NC used to shout at the officials constantly in matches. SB did as well and I've seen SD arguing with them on quite a few occasions.
18th Jan 2019 09:49:40 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
I'm pretty sure we got the benefit in the non league days cos we were the bigger boys etc.
Historical Don - could you please put one aside for me? I can see you by Sharon at 14.40.
18th Jan 2019 09:49:14 
[77.lo.gg.ed] 
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Won't always work of course and you can mention specific examples, eg Neville being overly goby and aggressive. But when I see 'small fry' come to town and get the rub from referees each season its blindingly obvious our approach sucked.
18th Jan 2019 09:40:37 
[2.lo.gg.ed] 
middle aged don
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Also (sorry multi in a row) see if you can find the pre match tunnel footage (on FB) from that Wigan game - ref is chatting and laughing with the Wigan players, Barry walks out, ref looks at him/us and looks away and carries on laughing and chatting with them. Doesn't even acknowledge BF. It will take more than people in their ear - we need a stronger position and presence away from the pitch to get the relationships.
18th Jan 2019 09:38:39 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
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Morning all. Thought about OTD - wasn't Withe elbowed after a meeting in a service station on the Sunday?
18th Jan 2019 09:36:36 
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Remember ITV presenter and Everton supporting cunt Elton "Roger" Welsby announcing it at the end of the live broadcast that day
Oo er missus!
Apologies for source but this is it: [Link]
18th Jan 2019 09:35:37 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
Think back to the ref utterly riding us against Wigan at home - Forrester got sent off for (justifiably) doing what you guys are suggesting.
Steve Mac - exactly my point and is why so many "obvious penalties" tend not be given. Hash the reason the lino is there is cos they have to be on the defending sides left. Can't change that. (Assuming that was a genuine question).
18th Jan 2019 09:32:44 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
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A few people have asked so the last few copies of issue 27 will be sold outside the main entrance (next to Mrs Ray) between 2.15 and 2.45 tomorrow.
18th Jan 2019 09:31:54 
[90.lo.gg.ed] 
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For those recommending getting on the referees back - check out Gary Neville's comments about how he realised how much he actually pissed them off and alienated them. It is a dangerous game to play and honestly why would a referee be any different to anyone else. If they're predisposed towards you or to being scared of you then nagging away at them will work, if not then you'll just get yourself fucked over.
18th Jan 2019 09:31:29 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
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Lurker of course it’s easier for a ref to give decisions that don’t mean much, then when it’s time to make a decision that will affect the game they bottle it!
18th Jan 2019 09:30:28 
[213.lo.gg.ed] 
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Agreed. We need to get on the referees back. Wally needs to be constantly barracking the ref and the fourth official. If you are too nice, you get walked all over and people take liberties. I also agree that having the lino in front of the away fans is a big disadvantage and there have been countless occasions when decisions have been made purely on the basis of the away fans reaction...remember Francomb getting sent off a couple of seasons ago when it was actually the opposition bloke who should have been sent off and his red cars was subsequently revoked but it's a bit late to do that after the game when we've already Lost.
18th Jan 2019 09:23:50 
[85.lo.gg.ed] 
Why can't the lino be on the other side in front of the polite applause people in the Paul strank?
No use to us officials admitting after the game that they didn't give X or Y - repeatedly happening, even against other 'small fry'. Don't for a minute doubt that a robust manager can't lean on the ref pre game and encourage the right players to be on him on during the game. It happens - its taking the piss but its the game and we need to get into it.
18th Jan 2019 08:57:26 
[2.lo.gg.ed] 
middle aged don
Its a piss boiler the 'thats not who were are' and I don't blame Nil for towing the line. I just think Wally in time will change that, despite Uncle's attempts.
If you believed they put a man on the moon and there's nothing up his sleeve, then nothing is cool.
18th Jan 2019 08:39:11 
[5.lo.gg.ed] 
Yeah yeah yeah yeah
interesting thing to try to do at a match - watch how the officials' get more cautious the nearer to the goal an incident is. You'll see soft free kicks around half way where the same incident ends up with nothing given the nearer you get to the goal.
18th Jan 2019 08:17:42 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
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ribligo sorry but that is just a throwaway comment not a fact, we've been in the penalty area enough - or were we defending when the Sunderland player handled it on the line, when Wagstaff was pulled down by the Coventry player, etc, etc?
18th Jan 2019 08:03:29 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
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You've got to be in the opponent's box to get a penalty. Can't do that when you're defending all game
18th Jan 2019 07:54:20 
[151.lo.gg.ed] 
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We complained every time and got admissions constantly that they made mistakes and publicised that. It didn't change anything. You're right it isn't just us, watch any game and you'll see a mix of officials simply not seeing stuff or giving decisions based on what they expect or think they've seen or how they expect the game to play out. We're small fry, we don't have clout, Downes doesn't carry the clout to change that no matter what people want to think. We need to get used to the idea we simply don't get the run of these things, same as other small fry clubs. Equally until we stop having opposition fans right behind a linesman baying for blood some things won't change.
18th Jan 2019 07:51:31 
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