Trigg - if it’s 5-0 I’ll be so angry, am currently on a train to stay with a mate who’s a Huddersfield season ticket holder and is hosting us till Sunday… If Goodman has a great game, that will also be so bloody annoying….

My dad used to take us up to Remembrance Day at the Cenotaph when I was pretty young (I guess mid 1960s) - his experiences must have still been raw in the memory, and at that age I probably couldn’t conceive of the feelings that must have been running through him at those ceremonies. His medals, whilst of little monetary worth, are probably the most valuable things I own, plus a letter written to him some years after the war by Montgomery…

"Mum and Dad" will be proud if they're reading this - a disagreement conducted amicably and respectfully on the unofficial and soon maybe only forum for Wimbledon fans and DT members.

I agree Spartan - the ex-players thing is easier for fans to deliberately disrespect and that's why it changed to applause. I think silence is fitting for Remembrance and it makes me proud to see it observed impeccably at football grounds up and down the country.

I think you’re correct, Sparty, plus I think that if a couple of people start to clap, it’s kind of infectious and just spreads as more join in without really thinking about it…

My great-grandfather drowned in the North Sea after his destroyer was hit multiple times by German battleships. If I saw anyone trying to get PR value out of a silence I'd be firmly on NickD's side in stopping that. I just don't see it that way.

I think that the confusion for people about the minute's silence might be, that when we have a minute's silence for ex players who have passed away, it often turns into a minute's applause and that seems to be more the norm these days.

I always respect the last post and subsequent silence in memory of my dad and his colleagues - he was just 19 when he went across a few days after D-Day and his regiment made its way through France and Holland and Belgium pushing back the Germans, a far cry from my time as a 19 year old studying for my degree, but my freedom to do so is precisely what my dad served for. He lost fellow tank crew, killed or maimed by German shells on the front line, and that stayed with him throughout his working life once he returned to civilian life - the least I can do is to reflect on that sacrifice for a few minutes every year and hope that we don’t get dragged backwards towards the same sort of regime that he and all of our forces fought and died to repel…

... with it being done numerous times not with the underlying sentiment

... and I observe it on all occassions Trig even I disagree

Yes I do Trig

Amen.

For clarity, I mentioned the clubs remembrance ceremony, (which I fully support and I instigated the laying of a wreath at the Wimbledon war memorial on behalf of the football club) because of the mess that the observation was. Unfortunately people seem to think that you need to clap everything and once the last post was played the applause started. As the end of the last post signifies the start of the silence there was confusion with the clapping and people then started chanting and shouting. It took around half a minute for some people to realise that the players were standing with their heads bowed and still observing the silence. Perhaps it is because our PA is so poor but I’m not sure if there was an announcement explaining what was about to happen (which is clearly required). This isn’t the first time that this has happened either. I think it is important to honour the people who have given their lives so we are able to have the choice to attend a football match and two minutes silence isn’t too much of a difficulty to most people.

Spit-and then you woke up from your dream

Huddersfield 1 dons 4

As for football - I’m concerned about tomorrow given our recent form and squad availability.

Naz-it said on the OS a couple of days ago a coach would go if there was enough interest, has there been an update?

I can tell you when I’m at a football match and observe the minute’s silence for Remembrance it is fully genuine. Shame if it’s perceived as (or indeed creeping in as fact) to be virtue signalling.

I can imagine it becoming a tradition to clap after the Last Post and in a couple of decades time for people to be grumbled at because they didn't clap. The one thing we seem to have lost that was key between the world wars is 'never again'.

CW - no coach to Cardiff.

Thank you Nick D I was searching for the term virtue signaling & couldn’t think of it, that’s exactly what it is

I agree with WTID. I have got stick for this in the past, but that's fine. I revere the silences we have on 11/11 and Remembrance Sunday. Football doing their own version is unnecessary. It's a form of virtue signalling and cheapens the occasion in my eyes. As for poppies on shirts - done for ludicrous PR reasons, not any genuine sentiment or respect for the fallen.

Laurence - not at all but my point is that there is already a time for the nation to fall silent, 11am on Nov 11th, so why do football clubs feel the need to hold there own sometimes a week or more before that date? the guns weren’t silent at 3pm on a Saturday the week before* & asking thousands of pissed up tribal football fans to keep silent for 2 minutes hardly ever works.

Disagree with WTID & swiggy it's a very decent tradition for football fans to honour those who sacrificed their lives in the world wars and more recent conflicts. Closest home match to 11/11 and do it properly.. Good opportunity for parents to teach their kids about how to show respect properly.

I agree with WTID, 11am on Remembrance Sunday (for the nation) and on 11/11 (for individuals) if not the Sunday.