It was utterly painful to watch us go a goal up and suddenly play like we were Grimsby away at Man City. Tuchel was like Southgate on steroids. Then when they inevitably equalised, to leave 6 defenders on, for what? Argentina smelt blood as soon as we dropped deep after we scored and we were done. Pathetic from Tuchel.

Pete - good point - make him manage that one and sack him on 37 minutes.

Ham Saladice? Dream on.

Agree Trigs

6M - exactly, just let those who haven’t played have the game and do it like a friendly.

Big Sam?

Spit we were lucky against both Mexico and Norway but Kane and Bellingham got us through. We have not played well all tournament. Our passion was good but quality has been lacking.

The third place play off is the most pointless match conceivable. Neither team wants to be there. It is a waste of accommodation costs and everyone's time hanging around for a few more days when both teams want to go home. Both teams will make changes. Nobody cares about the score. Nobody will remember the score. You don't have this in any other tournament. In fact, they try to get rid of games, unlike FIFA who see money making as their raison d'être and this as another opportunity.

Trig - So, who manages them on Saturday then?

Tuchel doesn’t get another shot at a tournament. Southgate’s good work behind the scenes in transforming the culture of England FC still adds value but he was too conservative a a manager to win the big games. Tuchel was the big bet to change that and shat the bed tonight that game was ours to win and he hid the team behind the sofa in the second half.

Lol,semi final ,amazing performance in Mexico, yeah sack the new manager, calm down,calm down.

Tuchel is the poor man's Klopp. Watch Klopp take Germany to a tournament win.

Still got the thumping from France to go yet.

We’d have lost in ET, players were knackered… Good effort from all, just not quite enough against the world champions.

Tuchel has to go after that. Don’t even care who comes next he royally rogered that up so spectacularly that it’ll make it into coaching manuals.

Agreed RK and I quite agree with Spit, Tuchel has improved us. Southgate was good for building foundations but his time had come and gone.

BBC gets it right. Go 1-0 up and take off Gordon who scored and was playing well off for Konsa. Fucking genius.

We allowed them to come onto us instead if playing them all over the pitch as in first 55mins. You don't do that with players of that quality

Much prefer Tuchel than Southgate, got us to the semi's at first attempt, .much more passion shown. 15 mins from a final. The future is rosey.

Same old, same old.

Another dig from OI

Yep we gave a team with quality crossers the time to cross. Managerial mistake

And it is the managers job to fix that. He had the hydration break for that. He had players like Mainoo on the bench who could have bolstered the midfield but he put on a left back into midfield. This was a managerial tactic which they followed as they did the same thing against Mexico and Norway. Argentina are too good to use that cowardly tactic.

I tend to agree with Silk & Trigs, defended far too deeply and they just kept hitting us with crosses and shots. Could have scored three more, two hit the post and Pickford pulled off an outstanding save from a free header

Didn’t use Saka - big error… Oh well, probably overachieved to be in the semi final, so I guess they did OK - never likely to win against that ref being influenced by the crowd and the playacting :(