Silk, definitely more than 30 seconds, I was thinking that the ref was delaying it unreasonably compared to normal timings.

Re Browne, I thought that if a player is treated on the field for an injury where the offending player is booked, he doesn't have to leave the field. So Browne shouldn't have had to go off in the first place. Adds another level to the ref's meltdown in that passage of play.

Browne had been off the pitch for over 30 seconds. The ref waved him back on while the ball was in play. The problem was the ball went straight to him in oceans of space and so he gained an unfair advantage. The ref can stop a game at any point he wants. The rules are a bit woolly around this incident but as no offence had been committed the game restarted with a drop ball.

Any old WUP planning to Rotherham next weekend? Moke may be tempted to come along!

Here's one for the conspiracy theorists. The hierarchy know we can't compete or raise enough money, even with the pointless 50% + 1 vote, which may never even happen. They hope but don't expect to stay up this season. They expect most senior players to leave in the summer. Jackson and his team will decide to leave (there is enough management churn for him to land another job at league 1 or 2). When we go down we'll probably tumble straight out of the league. Maybe getting Robinson back is just to allow him to familiarise himself with the current pool of players. He takes over from Jackson in the summer (I don't buy all this academy consultant smokescreen - Hamilton would never stand for it if it was true if he has any backbone). We then run with cheap and youthful first team until our income matches our costs and we find our level. Robinson lives local and will be cheap. You don't go from working at Chelsea or being a League 1 manager to just being an academy consultant at a struggling League 1 club. I would hate for this to be true as we would hardly ever win but it might explain a few things.

The EFL rules clearly states that a player treated for injury has to spend a MINIMUM of thirty seconds off the pitch once play has started before being allowed back on the field of play. So if the ref had waved him back on as soon as play resumed or within thirty seconds then he would have to stop play to comply with the amended rules.

Agreed Hash. If it was the other way round we'd probably have wanted the ref to halt things. There seem two answers (1) the ref beckons the player back on when there is no danger of them being in an immediate goal scoring position and (2) teams treat the player as if they were on the pitch anyway, i.e. mark them

a4e, agreed but ref definitely signalled for Browne to come on!

Thanks Steve

Thanks OI - so was the ref wrong to let Browne come back on at that point which was what caused him to panic / lose his head and stop play? It seems to me that was a pretty big fuck up by the ref - even if he was wrong to allow Browne back on at that moment, he can't just randomly decide he is going to stop play and have a drop ball surely?

Hash - as long as the player gets waved back on by the referee then he can touch the ball right away. I think the ref panicked as he thought he gave us an advantage, so blew up and gave a drop ball, which is wrong and should have just let play continue.

Hash - that was totally bizarre, I felt as if the 4th official had said on you go, but the ref hadn’t actually signalled to Browne, but then again the ref held up his hands as a sort of mea culpa gesture - it was so annoying because it looked like a good attack… I then thought he might help us out and give us a soft penalty or something, but instead he decided it would be better to let 96 minutes become 99+ minutes, knowing full well that being down to 10 made us really vulnerable. I don’t watch the JJ interviews, but if were manager I’d be willing to take a fine for criticism of the ref (yes I know it’s partly our own fault, but still…)… 🤷🏻‍♂️

Our thoughts exactly, Trig.

Hash - he gave a dropped ball to us so it wasn't an offence. The laws only talk about returning from the sideline and Browne wasn't offside at the point at which he returned. I think the referee panicked thinking Browne was clean through, blew his whistle and then realised the error was entirely his.

Buying the 50%+1 gives you a way in so you can be the great saviour who rescues the club from administration in exchange for control.

does anyone have an answer to this: 'The other thing was the ref waved Browne on and then changed his mind when he ran on and was in a good position? What was that about? You can't get involved in the play as soon as you run on the pitch?' Was the ref really like just making rules up on the spot like i regret waving him on because Wimbledon got an advantage so I am going to stop play or is there actually a rule that says a player can't get involved with play as soon as they come back onto the pitch after an injury?

Some might argue it is simply a quirk of timing that the DTB decide to come off Twitter just as information starts to leak out about how well a job they’ve been doing.

Yeah OI. It sounds like 50+1 is completely out the window now, unless there is a fantastically benevolent person on standby. Elon Musk maybe.

You couldn’t judge JJ for wanting out at the moment. Sees clubs like Doncaster sign half a new squad and we’ve had to let two go. Hard to motivate players hence why we’re on a similar run to our last season in L1 albeit with a thankful win against Orient to delay some of the anger.

I'm still waiting for an explanataion as to why anyone would buy the 50%+1 shares, which become worthless on administration, in a company that, even if you are less apocalyptic than 6mdm, seems to be on a course towards administration.

There are enough rich people around who would like to be able brag that they own a Football League club. The problems we face is the owners clubs around us are ploughing millions into their clubs for limited returns.

Also we are expecting a new 50%+1 vote with some specific investors 'in the new year'. I think it would be good if that happens asap.

Someone( whad predictor league sponsor) posted on the Facebook group" rumours going around, "borrowing money to help cash flow,JJ wants out, players out of contract at the end of the season won't be renewed "

Everything that is being posted today has been said before. I've been banging on about this for years. In the summer I posted a lot about how we had 18 months to do something. Here were are with nothing having being done staring into the abyss again. Even if (big if) it was possible to legally separate the stadium from the AFCW PLC group structure so an administrator couldn't come after it to settle debts, what would that achieve? All the value is in the stadium. If we went into administration who would take us out of it as what would they be buying? Very few assets. High costs. Team with limited prospects hamstrung by a ground they can't develop. Limited synergies and efficiencies. Being poorly run can be rectified but I can't see somebody ploughing millions into a club with minimal return. If we went into administration we would quicky slide into receivership and then liquidation, so there would be no club. It doesn't end there. Even an empty stadium will have ongoing costs. Who will pay them with no club? I don't know if the responsibility of the pitch owners starts and ends with just the pitch or the whole stadium. That is for lawyers to argue over. If the ground is left to decay and causes harm to somebody the owners will be liable, whoever they are. Be careful what you wish for with a pitch owners scheme as the law of unintended consequences could bite you hard. If we cannot find a level to balance the books at we are screwed as our constitution will not allow us to sell out and this 50% + 1 proposal will buy us a year or two if we are lucky but probably will not even cover the 2027 bond repayments.

OI - replace the word Grecians with Wombles, and Gorman with a.n.other, and it’s us, no…?