OI valued his input could also be because of 1 cheap, 2 already there, 3 they didn’t have anyone else in mind, 4 since he pulled together that player database they needed his knowledge and expertise and 5 they couldn’t afford to keep him just in that capacity and bring in another coach. I’d also say we’re all very good at taking their judgement when it suits but can I remind that the 2 guys who wanted him kept around have been in the process of getting us relegated using him. We all have our levels. I’m never going to be CEO of where I work no matter how long I’ve been there or how much the previous CEO wanted to keep me around. My point is everything we’ve seen suggests this is his glass ceiling as well as the other 2’s.

There are just over 12 full time teams who are fully pro in National league. Sutton are semi pro so the majority of their players have other jobs. Their captain Collins is a builder too. The teams that are full time employ their players like they were league players and train more. Then there is the fact that part time are paid per game whereas full time for the whole year.

Lurks - don't understand your third sentence. Anyway to me it's irrelevant pro or semi-pro.

Tiki we’re legally obliged to give something to them due to the terms of land agreements etc. Apparently the calculations are not simple so there seems to be difficulty in getting a figure. The £1m figure was a mix of what we have to pay and trying to be helpful and giving more.

Bassey can be criticised but YW said he had been on a free ride for a decade which is quite clearly nonsense as either of our two most successful managers (sorry Dave) could have got rid of him at any time. They have both obviously valued his input over the years and they are probably in a better position to evaluate it than any of us. I don't want him as full time manager but if the new manager also values his contribution in any role he wishes, I'm not going to complain.

Tiki not true. There are semi pro clubs who are paying their best players enough to not have to do another job if they want. Semi pro actually means not all players are paid enough to be a single wage BUt more so it constrains when they train, how they employ the club staff and what facilities they have. Player wages are not the be all and end all.

Hash - okay, so that's what i'm getting out, the £1m supposedly going to Ks. Are we legally bound by that? It's time for us to look after ourselves, cos I sure as hell know no-one will look after us.

And which teams in that league do you believe to be fully pro and what do you think that means?

semi pro get paid less, usually have another job, they also train less. part time you could say.

Tiki we are getting way more than 1 million from Chelsea and it's all going to NPL (apart from 1 million which is going to Ks)

Diddy what do you understand semi pro as meaning - just so can be clear what we’re comparing here.

Lurker… Sutton are far from being one of the top 6 teams in that league as they are still only semi pro and a lot of the other teams are full time.

Does anyone know if the club have announced what the £1m we get from Chelsea will go? I presume it's no longer going to Kingston and we're not legally bound by that. Any chance we just get Chelsea to front load the cash to us to spend in Jan lol.

Oh fuck I meant Ray.

Gimps give Bert a sticky!

Alright lurker the sheep thing wasn’t necessary so I take that one back. But you say stuff like “let’s be clear” and then are anything but clear. So, for my final word on this one because I don’t want to get into drawn out argument with you, I am not saying Bass can’t be criticised i’m saying he doesn’t deserve to be slaughtered and abused and told to fuck off.

Tiki but what those guys do at that level is irrelevant to us. Context is all. Financially we are one of the 2 or 3 weakest in our division. SU are one of the 6 strongest in theirs. A manager who achieves what he should (which is not a criticism) will have us relegated to a division where we are still one of the financially weakest and could be fighting for survival. If we're to avoid a double drop we need an overachiever. Man City don't cos they just need to achieve what they should.

Lurker - it's all down to luck really in that case. You can argue Guardiola hasn't over-acheived (in fact acheived nothing more than Mancini) as he had Messi at Barca etc..., but would anyone dare say no to him over here? Moyes acheived at Everton, but flopped at Utd - it's all pot luck really. We shouldn't just pick a manager based on results, but more the attitude and mentality they bring with them.

Anyone know the timescale for interviews to be completed and shortlist negotiations to start?

Stefflon Don just cancelled her upcoming tour so Lurked may not be that wide of the mark

How to judge Doswell is what I struggle with. Realistically Sutton are one of the bigger players in conference level. I don't see him as overachieving with them. I could even see him having underachieved a bit. Realistically he/they are where they should be. Realistically we should be mid table in L2 or lower. Anyone who underachieves or achieves what we should be is going to have us struggling in L2 next season. We need someone who can over-achieve. Not sure most on the list really come under that heading.

DOSWELL isn't that that silly after what he is building at Sutton. Think he is actually more then just the Manager there and is a owner? I know he has ploughed his own money into Sutton with the ground improvements etc. Don't know how he would figure as a League Manager but has done well with Sutton. Anyway I heard KYLE is in top spot with the bookies as next Manager and hence why he is distancing himself away from us.

Just saw your Moral DoD - if only there was a "recall" button on posts!!

I mentioned Doswell a long time ago - but was quickly shot down by the usual crew :)

Morning all, thanks for the clarifications lurker. Nice to know how its all going.... i hear doswell has his interview today but doesn’t appear in the odds yet