Probably thought we defended so well aginst Mexico with 10 men,that we could do it again with 11 men.

What do these tactics of Tuchel say he thinks of his players? What must they think? The only time teams set up to just sit back, deny space and defend is when they are either down to 10 men or are vastly inferior to the opposition. This was not AFCW away to Newcastle in the League Cup. England reached a World Cup semi-final against an average Argentina, who struggled past Egypt and Switzerland. Why play with fear? Why not try to get a second goal? Aside from being extremely boring to watch (how many thousands of pounds were tickets?), it seldom works for that length of time as it is very tiring, requires constant concentration and you are always one mistake, fluke or piece of genius away from it unravelling, with nowhere else to go as we found out tonight.

His outburst about ‘mentality’ came back to bite him on the arse

Tuchel has to be the scapegoat for this defeat. He parked the bus far too early and then added more defenders which seemed to cause confusion. He also took off our main outlet, Gordon. How he thought we'd survive 35 minutes plus added time playing like that, I just don't know. He got it wrong like he nearly did v Norway, when he also took off Gordon.

6M spot on again - now onto the domestic season… :)

The FA has the money to sack him and whoever extended his contract should be sacked at the same time.

Between Gordon’s goal and full time we had 12% possession.

It'll cost big bucks to sack Tuchel given his contract has only recently been extended until 2028. Was he like this at Chelsea? I genuinely don't know. All I remember is he always came across as the victim in interviews and everyone was against him and his team.

I’m glad I didn’t put that tenner on Dan Burn to score the winner in the World Cup final….

Guardiola is looking for a job. I would be talking to him right now.

Bring back the home internationals!

That game was the perfect demonstration yet again of why we can’t win a major tournament. No other “top side” would have played like that.

It was utterly painful to watch us go a goal up and suddenly play like we were Grimsby away at Man City. Tuchel was like Southgate on steroids. Then when they inevitably equalised, to leave 6 defenders on, for what? Argentina smelt blood as soon as we dropped deep after we scored and we were done. Pathetic from Tuchel.

Pete - good point - make him manage that one and sack him on 37 minutes.

Ham Saladice? Dream on.

Agree Trigs

6M - exactly, just let those who haven’t played have the game and do it like a friendly.

Big Sam?

Spit we were lucky against both Mexico and Norway but Kane and Bellingham got us through. We have not played well all tournament. Our passion was good but quality has been lacking.

The third place play off is the most pointless match conceivable. Neither team wants to be there. It is a waste of accommodation costs and everyone's time hanging around for a few more days when both teams want to go home. Both teams will make changes. Nobody cares about the score. Nobody will remember the score. You don't have this in any other tournament. In fact, they try to get rid of games, unlike FIFA who see money making as their raison d'être and this as another opportunity.

Trig - So, who manages them on Saturday then?

Tuchel doesn’t get another shot at a tournament. Southgate’s good work behind the scenes in transforming the culture of England FC still adds value but he was too conservative a a manager to win the big games. Tuchel was the big bet to change that and shat the bed tonight that game was ours to win and he hid the team behind the sofa in the second half.

Lol,semi final ,amazing performance in Mexico, yeah sack the new manager, calm down,calm down.

Tuchel is the poor man's Klopp. Watch Klopp take Germany to a tournament win.

Still got the thumping from France to go yet.