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Nick W - Whether some winding down of the DT is or isn't the right thing to do (bit of both, probably, it certainly needs substantial change and a reduction in membership), the hill I will die on is that it cannot be right to do any of that without a proper discussion, debate and vote of members on the direction of travel. Breaking it down into little pieces and then not having votes on them just makes them look evasive and/or being manipulated by the plc and/or up to no good.
23rd Apr 2024 08:47:30 
[90.lo.gg.ed] 
nicander
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Away for a few days so I didn't see the SGM. Did they clarify what happens to the 'DTB subscription' when I opt out? If it stays with the club then I'm helping with the first team budget. "Opt out to go up!"
23rd Apr 2024 08:46:24 
[212.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
That’s what I have assumed (ie you pay for it even if you opt out), so not really free, more”included in the price of the ST whether you opt out or not”. To be fair I need to read the terms and conditions but even if you can opt out and not pay for the DT cost with the season ticket I don’t see the benefit of going to the extra hassle. To some extent what this will lay bare is that, standing back and looking at the structure from scratch, the DT is a slightly pointless body (ie we need it as a legal entity “box” to own the shares in the club but really it doesn’t need to do anything more and the sensible thing is to find some way of folding all of the governance into that of the club, like a normal company with a big shareholder).
23rd Apr 2024 08:42:06 
[205.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
I didn't know it was free until I read Kenty's post. By free, you mean they just add the £15/£30 to the ST price?
23rd Apr 2024 08:36:03 
[81.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
RK- why would you do that (ie turn down something free then elect to pay for it)? I must confess I haven’t really engaged with this (so this is a genuine question from me?) but what would be the benefit of buying DT membership directly rather than getting it bundled with the ST
23rd Apr 2024 08:26:34 
[205.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Bit ridiculous that i get to vote on the minutes and accounts (legal reqs but who ever bothers) but not the membership scheme. Assume i can opt-out when i buy my ST, then buy as i normally do for £15 in Aug? Or is this wrong?
23rd Apr 2024 08:09:27 
[81.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
I would guess Marc Jones has the Squealer role in the Animal Farm spring revolution. I’d expect fan ownership propaganda to be cranked up, with central direction on how to vote on, say, 50%+1.
23rd Apr 2024 08:03:10 
[82.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
All this might be confusing to your average fan who just wanna watches some football. In conclusion: ST holders will now have Dons Trust membership included at no extra charge. For non ST-holders, the price of DT/DT+ membership has gone up by a fiver.
23rd Apr 2024 07:54:59 
[82.lo.gg.ed] 
That’s it, really. No need for pissed knickers
Pensioners can afford £17 extra per game they’re all loaded.
23rd Apr 2024 07:49:31 
[195.lo.gg.ed] 
Some mug
triggerfish
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Silk - I agree with you on the process. I can be persuaded on the idea but the process has been a shambles and I’m pretty sure a ‘traditional’ SGM motion process wouldn’t have got anywhere near the same result as an email survey. Anyway the idea (reported on ProBoards) that this is something that “the club” wanted is eye opening. Don’t forget that the period where this would have been raised and pushed by “the club” we were still under a volunteer/DT insider MD and we suspiciously just hired a DT insider “digital transformation lead” with no apparent external process. The project seems built to fund a digital transformation of our database (again?). The whole thing stinks and shows why - even with the best intentions - recruiting plc leaders from DT cliques is fraught with risk.
23rd Apr 2024 07:20:44 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
For me the strangest thing about DTM/ST "debate" was the fact that this wasn't put to the vote amongst the members. This guestbook has shown that some people are for it and some people are against it. But if 87% of the membership had voted for it, as a hypothetical number, then the dissenters would not have any recourse to lambast the DTB about it. I have a cynical doubt that the DTB was not sure of getting the right outcome.
23rd Apr 2024 07:01:45 
[82.lo.gg.ed] 
I thought substantive changes like this and the ability for members to vote on it was the reason we are fan-owned. To avoid situations like Spurs deciding to scrap concessions to pensioners. Am I naively optimistic about that because I would have insisted on a vote about this if I had been on the DTB - even though I broadly agreed with it.
I saw some rather unrealistic talk on here last night about closing our losses by increasing season ticket prices- just to use some real numbers, if we wanted to eliminate our losses by increasing ST prices - assuming 7000 sales per game for 23 games, and noting that tickets include 20% VAT so an extra £1 on the ticket price only gives us 83p, to raise an extra £2.2m - our current operating loss- we would have to increase all ticket prices (including children and over 65s) by £16.46 per game (ie an extra £380 on a season ticket). Obviously the whole idea is unrealistic , and we don’t actually need to fill the whole gap, as we will always have some player sales,but it’s important to note that we can’t really solve our problems just by raising prices.
23rd Apr 2024 05:45:00 
[81.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
It’s an awful lot of effort for the DTB purely just to try and get me to buy a season ticket again 😊 What a fucking mess, again, from these fools who have big but empty egos and are willing to ride roughshod over everyone to try and validate each other in their own eyes.
23rd Apr 2024 05:07:40 
[195.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Happy St George's day to all those celebrating!
23rd Apr 2024 01:19:06 
[10.lo.gg.ed] 
Q the snarky remarks 😂
Scotty - lifetime DT members will get a discount. No idea about hospitality but I guess they'll pay extra.
22nd Apr 2024 23:58:02 
[147.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Angus recently purged all expired DT members from Pro Boards. I suspect many of those will return as they have little option if they are a ST Holder. Opting out will cost them priority for Cup matches etc.
22nd Apr 2024 23:56:58 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
scotty
And how the system will work for Trigger if he has a ST, who knows. By remaining opted in, you have benefits and voting rights. Can't kick someone off ProBoards 'cos you don't like them.
You've got to love this new DT membership scheme. Non ST Holders (who remain DT members) plus West and South Stand ST Holders have kindly (been requested) to pay the Membership Fees of East Stand ST Holders.
22nd Apr 2024 23:50:55 
[86.lo.gg.ed] 
scotty
Of course if all West and South ST's opt out and no non-ST holder renews then the DT will be struggling financially. Where Hospitality ST Holders and Lifetime DT members fit into the mathematical equation is anybody's guess.
Yeah sorry Pete it's the cul-de-sac talk😂
22nd Apr 2024 23:11:00 
[10.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Lawn? Bit posh, Spit. Only got grass here.
22nd Apr 2024 22:54:21 
[2.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
RK likes to comment on all my post 😂hasn't ĥe got anything better to do with his time.
22nd Apr 2024 22:52:04 
[10.lo.gg.ed] 
I'm frightened to open my bedroom curtains in case he is standing on my lawn in his underpants:-)
One candidate wants to re-open police stations. Good luck. They're Nandos andBurger bars now. Another wants to fall in love, another just gives us his medical history, whilst others want to do a lot of listening. Fook it, if that's all there is to it, with the exception of the first one, we could all be Mayor.
22nd Apr 2024 22:47:40 
[2.lo.gg.ed] 
hangs bath plug & chain roung neck
Obviously it isn't as stabby over here but quite a lot of crime does occur.
22nd Apr 2024 22:32:16 
[5.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
All those sycophants defending the DT for months and years are now getting what they deserve
22nd Apr 2024 22:32:10 
[104.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
To give a different perspective all our village and small town police stations here in Somerset have been closed. Those at the county town, Taunton, Bridgwater and Yeovil are closed until eight o' clock tomorrow morning.
22nd Apr 2024 22:30:46 
[5.lo.gg.ed] 
Ex www.wup.me.uk - The home of WU
Actually 42 Met police stations closed between 2017 & 2022 under Sadiq Khan. [Link]
22nd Apr 2024 22:20:44 
[82.lo.gg.ed] 
Compared to 84 shut between 2010 & 2016 by his predecessor.
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